Speaker 1 (00:01)
In this pilot episode, we're going over the top five reasons we see women asking for a divorce.
Speaker 2 (00:07)
and we share our own stories for how we knew our marriages were over.
Speaker 1 (00:12)
Welcome to the Divorce Queens podcast where real women get real about divorce. I'm Taylor Wins, divorce coach, family law attorney, and mom of four.
Speaker 2 (00:22)
And I'm Rachel Kennedy, family mediator, parenting consultant, and divorced mom of three. We are here to cut through the noise and bring you the legal, personal, and practical sides of divorce because getting divorced isn't just a legal process. It is a total life transformation.
Speaker 1 (00:39)
So whether you're thinking about getting divorced, in the middle of the chaos, or trying to rebuild after it's all over, you're not alone. Grab your coffee, your wine, or your walking shoes, and let's get into it.
So what's up, reach-all?
Speaker 2 (00:54)
Hey, good to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:56)
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absolutely. All right. So we have ⁓ a really, full episode for our listeners today, because today we're going to be talking about how do we know if your marriage is over. we wanted to start off by talking about how we knew that our marriages were over and kind of share our personal stories around what happened that had us calling it quits. So
Rachel, do you want to kick us off and just tell us a little bit about, I mean, you're divorced, I'm divorced. You've been divorced, first of all, how long? Okay, so like it's been a hot minute. time. Yeah, and how long were you married? 10 years. Wow, like your whole life basically.
Speaker 2 (01:31)
10 years.
11.
Yeah, yeah, got me rid of 21. So do the math on that one. But yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:49)
Cool, like how did it end?
Speaker 2 (01:53)
⁓ It was kind of in two steps. So, ⁓ well, I should start by saying my mom and dad were divorced when I was a kid and I remember them going to court and fighting over me and all of that. I have a bunch of siblings, but they were step siblings and half siblings and all of that. So I'm the only child of my two biological parents. So I was the one that was fought over in court all the time and that was awful. And I was like, I will never, ever, ever do that to my kids. So I was coming into it with that mindset. ⁓
And there was quite a bit of abuse in my marriage, but I didn't know it for a very long time, which is fairly common until, I don't need to get into all the details of what was going on, but a friend came over and she was like, you know, this isn't normal, right? And I was like, what? No, I don't know. I guess I just thought everybody's marriage sucked or something. I'm not really sure. But that was the first part, the first time that like, I really, ⁓
had any sort of awareness that maybe things weren't normal, like all of that. ⁓ And I'd say it was probably about a year and a half later. We separated once in there, got back together. It was about a year and a half later when I made the choice to separate for the final time. ⁓ And that was a real defining moment for me because what I say is,
I stayed for my kids and then I left for my kids. Meaning, like I started out by saying my mom and dad were divorced and I was like, I will never do that to my kids. That was terrible for me. I'm never gonna do that to my kids until one day I woke up and I was like, I have three kids. I'm like, if any of my kids were in a marriage that looked like mine, I would sit there thinking I failed at life.
My kids ending up in a marriage that looked like mine was a nightmare of mine. And I was like, well, so by staying in this marriage, I'm more or less showing them that I agree with this and this is a good healthy marriage that I want them watching unfold every day and, you know, emulating and all of that. So again, back to I stayed for my kids and then I left for my kids. Yeah, that's my story.
Speaker 1 (04:17)
Yeah, that's good stuff. It's super hard to make the decision if you, think, regardless of your situation, because of the fact that nobody gets married and then like is looking forward to a divorce unless you're Marty Stewart. I went to like this Marty Stewart concert and this gal was like, Marty, I love you. And Marty was divorced four times and he was like, think of all the divorces we could have had. Like super hilarious, right? But like nobody else thinks that, right? Like it's
super hard. When you have kids, you're like, what type of holy hell am I bringing into their lives? If I get a divorce, right? I know that that was something I thought because like once we got married in my religious tradition, I knew I shouldn't get like knew I shouldn't get a divorce. Right. But then was really like, once we had kids, I was like, I'm stuck here till they're all 18. Like, even if I do want to get a divorce, I better like I better stay till they're all
adults. So for me, like my ex and I had problems immediately. Like when we were dating, I looked past every red flag. If I acknowledged the red flags, I was like, ooh, a carnival looks like, you know, and just like kept it rolling. And I remember we got engaged after four months of dating when I was 23. And then we got married literally six, six months later, in June,
My parents paid for the wedding. I had this beautiful, like, almost $2,000 rose gold, like, champagne. It was called Blush Romantique. It was like the color of the season, ball gown dress with this lace overlay. I had bridesmaids. We had a rehearsal dinner, right? We had all the things. And so I felt like by the time we were getting, like, closer to the date, I was in so deep, I could not call off the wedding. And I remember the night before,
We got married, we had this like big fight and like all these nasty things were said. And in true fashion with my ex-husband, there was no acknowledgement of wrongdoing. There was no apology. There was no conversation about the fight or anything. And it was just like, we woke up in the morning and it was like, the fight never happened. Let's go get married. And that's literally how my marriage started. So like, you know, it was like doomed from the start, but I mean, you know, when you're 20, I was 24 and we got married. You're like, well, I can't say.
No, like as women, right? We're so conditioned to not being able to say no. Like, doc. So then we start, of course, doing what? We start having kids. And so I got pregnant likely like on my honeymoon, literally got pregnant immediately after we got married. The only reason I know I wasn't pregnant when we got married, because my daughter was born four days shy of my one year or four days shy of nine months of being married is because we had done premarital counseling. So we were
Speaker 2 (06:46)
Crazy, ⁓
Speaker 1 (07:11)
for like two months before we got married. I literally like got married, got pregnant. Like it was literally that easy. And ⁓ so we get married in June. I find out I'm pregnant in like July, right? And right before I found out I was pregnant, I got accepted to law school on a full ride. And I'm like, my gosh, I'm pregnant. Like I can't go to law school. This is crazy. So I'm like calling to be like, can I defer this scholarship? They're like, no, let's take it or leave it. Like come now or don't come.
So I end up saying, all right, I'm going to do it. I'm to go to law school. And we were living in Iowa. And so I moved up to my parents lived in Minnesota, which is where we are now and where I'm from. And I had gotten a full ride to Hamlin. And so we're living in Iowa. I'm like, cool. I can take this full ride because I can stay with my parents Monday through Thursday. can drive home on the weekends. We'll figure it out. Love conquers all. We're going to have this bouncing baby, like this bundle of joy, right? And we're going to do it. And so of
course we do it and I'm going back and forth up and down the highway. I have this baby who's now 10 years old over like right after spring break. She's born and I'm like, this is great. And then my husband's like, this is cool. And he like drives home to Iowa like three days after she's born. Right? So I'm like in my parents house with this baby feeling like abandoned, you know, and like feeling all the hormones are crazy, but like who just
drives home, right? And so I was like, okay, like this is, this is a problem, right? And then I get pregnant, but then I go home for the summer, we spend three months, it's fine. It was probably the best time we ever had in our relationship was the summer I came up from law school with our baby. And of course I get pregnant that summer and go back to law school and do it all again, right? And when I got pregnant that summer, I'm like,
We gotta go. Like I can't be running up and down the highway with an infant pregnant back and forth trying to get through law school. Like this is insane. I need you to move up to Minnesota and like we need to be a family in Minnesota because call it selfish, call it whatever you want. But I was like, I'm not gonna get through law school doing this. And I'm not gonna be in a situation where I feel like my husband like sabotaged my career.
Right? Like that's crazy. So like, we need to figure something out. And he was like, well, I'm not doing it. And didn't do it. And so like for a whole nother year, like he basically called my bluff, like, see what you're going to do. Right? And he really didn't do it. So a whole nother year, I drive back and forth, pregnant, reading week comes, you know, end of the semester of second semester, I have this baby, three, four days, he drives home, right? Same cycle all over again.
Finally, my parents intervene and they're like, y'all gotta figure this out. And so my parents literally redid the basement of their house so that they could live in the basement and we could have the majority of the house and obviously we shared the kitchen and like one of the main living spaces. So begrudgingly, the third year he moves up to Minnesota. I make it through the last year of law school without popping out any more offspring. And you know, we're doing good, right? Like I've got a job and...
Actually, don't think I had a job, but like we're getting through things and we're like working it out and whatever. And then he starts like belittling me. Right. So the comments of like lawyers are so sleazy. They're so dishonest. ⁓ anybody can be a lawyer. I know tons of stupid lawyers. A lawyer is a glorified master's degree. And I'm thinking to myself, like, even if I only had a master's degree, I'm doing pretty good. You know, like, and he's like,
putting me down, I would get the silent treatment if I was doing things he didn't like. And he convinced me it would all be better if we just moved out of my parents' house and we bought our own house. So we buy our own house and then it's just like, you know, insert problem here, right? Like it was just problem after problem. It was just a new variety every time. I think I spent half the marriage sleeping in some, in a different bedroom or with a child or whatever. And I finally got to the end of the marriage and I realized I'm staying home with the kids.
and I don't have a steady income, but I don't have access to the checking account. ⁓ You're never here, you work two jobs, but I'm not allowed to have my friends come over or my mother, she's not allowed in our house. God knows what you're doing in the garage when you go out there for hours on end every single night, right? And it was just thing after thing after thing after thing. And it honestly just became like so much that there was so little left that was good and positive that like, I knew this couldn't be what marriage was.
And same thing, right? Like you said, Rachel, if my daughters were ever married to somebody and that's how they were treated, I would very much also agree that I would feel like I failed like in raising them. And so, you know, that's kind of how it ended. But like with all good stories, right? Like I divorced him, we get back together, have a fourth child, and then I divorced him again. So the one thing I can say to you, like, is if you think something's wrong and you think like it's time to go,
And you do go, like at least sit with the decision long enough to know that the decision was the right one or wrong one. And like, don't move too hastily throughout, you know, those feelings, which we'll talk about later in the, in the season and whatever, like what it feels like when you finally close the chapter and what it feels like when you have to go out and start dating and what grief feels like and what moving on feels like, right? And we'll talk about that later, but I definitely wasn't equipped to handle that.
the first time I got divorced and so I got back into it and same problems, the cycle repeated and then we got divorced again. But that's my story. I hope a lot of people can't identify.
Speaker 2 (13:05)
Yeah. ⁓
Speaker 1 (13:08)
What I really hope so like we talked a lot about ourselves, but we did some research, right? Some anecdotal research because we're both divorce pros. So Rachel, you're a mediator, right? And like I do divorce law, some lawyer stuff, and we both do a little like conflicty, coachy, resolutiony type stuff, right? So anecdotally, we came up with the five like biggest signs that we typically see that
Speaker 2 (13:21)
Yup.
Speaker 1 (13:36)
people are calling out as why their marriage has ended. So I'll start Rachel, cause this was one that I could definitely identify. And the number one reason or it's not, these aren't ranked, but like a reason that people call it quits is because you've turned into roommates and you no longer partners, lovers and friends, right? Like you were just roommates. And like, I definitely felt that. We are people just circling around each other. Like,
Some of us were better roommates than others. Like some of us cooked more and cleaned more and bought our own shoes more and took like the pets, AKA the children, right? Like, and did all that stuff more, but we were not, we had like no relationship. There were big points in the marriage where we just lived there together. We would talk. I can remember days on end, literally not speaking to my spouse.
Speaker 2 (14:29)
Yeah, like that's interesting to me that that happened to you guys when your kids were so little because just anecdotally the time that I often see it is when people's kids are like in high school and they're kind of starting to look ahead to like what does life look like when our kids are gone and they're like we've spent all these years raising these kids we did a pretty darn good job like with being business partners in the business of
buying groceries and running all the people to all the sports practices and all the things. And then they're like, it's been 10, 15, 20 years and like, we're friends, we're roommates, we're good co-parents, but we have no like love relationship left at all. I think that's super common when kids are teenagers.
Speaker 1 (15:16)
Yeah, you're like, you don't have emotional intimacy. You're not sleeping together. Like none of that is happening anymore. And even my mom, right? Like my mom who is in her late sixties, she was like, we were talking about this woman and this, I had been in this group, like this book club, right? And people one day, I don't know if it's cause somebody brought off the wine or what, but people started like sharing these really intimate details of their lives. And one woman was like,
I just want to know like what other people's sex lives are like, and we're like, where's this going? And she's like, yeah, our daughter who's eight, she like still sleeps in the bed and we haven't had sex since she was born. I told my mother that my mother was like, they're roommates. That is not your husband. Yeah. Right. And like, that's a symptom for a lot of people of other things, right? Like that's not the problem. That's the symptom. But I can definitely identify with what you're saying, Rachel, because like,
We see this wave, right? They're calling it gray divorce of people who are the silver haired generation. Like we're talking boomers and older who are like, I got 20 years left. Is this how I want to spend them? Like with this person that's become my roommate? Cause I could think of funner roommates. If that's what we're going to be, I'm out. Right? So I definitely think we're seeing that too. It's become actually a niche and elder law doing gray divorce. So you want to call out some reasons, Rachel?
Speaker 2 (16:45)
Yep, yep, you're emotionally checked out. You're just, I think that's kind of related, but you're just like, I just, you're a good person, I'm a good person. I just kind of like don't want to be married anymore. Like this is boring or it's not working for me or it's, I think that's especially common when people get married really young and then they kind of
grow up, but they don't grow like this, they kind of grow like that. And they're like, we've been married all these years and now we're both just entirely different people. And they're like, I don't really want to be here anymore.
Speaker 1 (17:20)
Mm
hmm. Yeah. And like sometimes being emotionally checked out, I think I see when ⁓ one of the people has been
emotionally abusive, they've been different with, they've been combative, manipulative, argumentative, and as a way to not continuously get hurt over and over again, the person just shut down.
Speaker 2 (17:44)
you build up those walls to protect yourself and for sure.
Speaker 1 (17:48)
Yeah. And then like even then if the person desires to change or expresses change, like they want to change, sometimes the damage is so done that it's over. Like even if you became a new person, like it's we're done.
Speaker 2 (18:04)
It's too late. That ship sail.
Speaker 1 (18:06)
Mm-hmm. One I see a lot is the consistent betrayal or broken trust. And I would say this comes in the form of three big things. This is serial cheating or infidelity. So somebody's had an affair, somebody's got a girlfriend on the side, somebody's got another family. I've seen that like a whole other family. Trucker, whole family on the side, other kids, common law-ish wife.
That's probably one of the big ones. Like a lot of people cannot recover from cheating. It's just like, it's too far. And so we definitely see that one. The other one though that I've seen recently come up multiple times, it might be a symptom of the economy. It might be a symptom of addictive personalities, but it's financial, like ruined finances that were hidden from the other person. So sometimes-
Speaker 2 (18:59)
one of those today and a console. I mean, it was, was grievous, like emptying out retirement accounts left and right. And yeah, that was, and it was a secret too. So this person didn't know that was happening. just, don't like, because it's, mean, it's about the money kind of, but it's about so much more than that too. It's like, that was a fricking huge decision to make about our joint assets.
All by yourself. ⁓
Speaker 1 (19:31)
And you made it without me. And then you hid it from me and you lied. And I'm only finding out because now it's a problem.
Speaker 2 (19:36)
We
just had one of those today for yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (19:40)
So we see that with like the dissipation. So I've spent all the money. ⁓ I've seen it with there's more money than we thought because the other person had additional income sources or additional streams of income and they're not sharing that money with the spouse and they're constantly telling the spouse over so broke you spend too much money. We can't have that. We can't buy that. We can't afford to take a vacation and then you get into discovery and it's like, I'm sorry. You make $380,000 a year.
Like, where did the money go? I had one those and I'm like, ⁓ why are you living in this three bedroom house? I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (20:14)
Yeah. ⁓
Speaker 1 (20:16)
Yeah, and like the hiding and the lying. I've also seen it with people have like really distorted family situations. And so part of the dissipation of the assets is like, I'm giving my mom money or I'm giving my sister who's like cracked out. Literally this happened. Who's like addicted to substances. I'm giving her money, know, things like that. I guess there's four big things I see, ⁓ but sticking with the money. I've seen ⁓ gambling addiction. Only fans addictions. ⁓
Speaker 2 (20:41)
Yep.
Speaker 1 (20:46)
you name it, addiction city. But yeah, that and then I have seen hidden substance use be a big symptom of that like consistent betrayal and that broken trust where somebody is drinking and they're hiding it or I had a situation where one person was doing cocaine and the other person had no idea it was ruining their finances. It was obviously ruining the person because they have this totally uncontrollable habit and
they were hiding it and they're working so hard to hide it that it was everything around them was just crumbling. So that's a whole nother episode. What to do if you're married to somebody who has substance use disorder. It's like a whole thing in and of itself.
Speaker 2 (21:26)
Absolutely. Yep. So another one that I've seen that I think is so relevant to so many of these areas is like you've tried everything and nothing changes. Whether it's the out of control spending, whether it's, you know, DV, different types of abuse and you're going to counseling or you're reading books or whatever trying to get the person to treat you better, whether it's, you know, the roommate thing and you want to try to
Speaker 1 (21:28)
much.
Speaker 2 (21:56)
Reignite that spark and they're like nah, I'm cool sleeping in the basement. Leave me alone, you know or whatever it is You're just like how do I win here? Like I keep trying all the things and nothing is working. I can't keep trying all the things. Yeah
Speaker 1 (22:11)
Like we've read the five love languages.
Speaker 2 (22:14)
All the box, all the podcasts, all the therapists, and it's just things don't change. You can't just keep living like that.
Speaker 1 (22:22)
This one's controversial, I think, because I don't know if you're aware of the movement. I forget his name. Is it Paul? Paul and, maybe I forget her name, but their last name is Martino. And they're this couple. And I always want to say her name is Lisa, because I went to college with a gal whose name was Lisa Martino. And that's totally not it. Hey, Lisa, if you're watching. But like, I can't remember her name. But they have this whole movement around, it takes one person to save the marriage, which,
people are like, no, it doesn't, right? But they're super like, it sure does. And I think that's really interesting. I've listened to a lot of their work and a lot of their work mirrors some other coaching that I've done around like women's empowerment around being your own soulmate first and whatever. And I think, I don't think they're super flawed in their teachings because I think all things being equal where two people are like, like nobody's got a personality disorder. Nobody's like abusive.
Right? I think in some of those situations, there are a lot of things that people could have changed and still been married. I just think there are a lot of people that are divorced because somebody's got a gambling addiction, somebody's got a personality disorder, somebody has unresolved childhood trauma and PTSD from life events and all of these other things going on that they're never going to take care of just because you want them to.
Speaker 2 (23:46)
Well, and the other thing is if the other person, even if there aren't those issues, but I mean, like I know somebody personally that you know, too, where the spouse was just like, I'm out. And the one who's left is like, we didn't even try counseling. Like, I think this is fixable. And the other person was like, no, I'm out and like moved out three days later.
Speaker 1 (24:12)
about other things were going on though and we are not privy to them.
Speaker 2 (24:16)
possible. Well, I will say in that particular situation it was number one. It was the roommate not partners situation. But regardless, if one person wanting to again go to therapy or try to spice things up in the bedroom or read all the marriage books or whatever they're trying to do, if one person wants to do that and the other person doesn't, you're kind of out of luck.
Speaker 1 (24:40)
Yeah, yeah, some people are.
Speaker 2 (24:43)
No matter
what the reason is, if the other person doesn't want to participate, you cannot save a marriage with just one person.
Speaker 1 (24:49)
Right. They're just not going. Right. But you should listen to their story, like in your own free time, if you're interested, because he was out and she wasn't. And then like somehow they have like this business together and they podcast. They're like the whole coaching business and whatever, but yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:00)
Lovely, I'm sure.
curious
though, you should send me that. should send me their names. I Because it's not Lisa.
Speaker 1 (25:10)
It's definitely not Lisa. It's, ⁓ my God, it's gonna kill me. I can't even think of it. Stacey, it's Stacey. Her name is Stacey. Stacey Lentino. Okay. All right, maybe it's not Paul, but it's totally Stacey. She's blonde. She's glasses. Okay. So the other thing that I see a lot of, and this is ⁓ maybe just cause I don't talk to men as much, but I definitely see this with women, but it's, you don't like who you become in the marriage, right? Like you have,
Speaker 2 (25:20)
Okay, we got that.
Speaker 1 (25:40)
become insert whatever adjective here. I think for me, I had lost a lot of like my spark and my fire. And the only place that spark and that fire was showing up was if we were fighting and I had finally had enough and I flipped into reactive abuse and was the person now who was like on the attack berating, screaming, yelling because I just like couldn't take it anymore. Like my nervous system is on a thousand and then finally I would snap.
That was the only place I would see like spunky, spicy, like Sparky Taylor anywhere would be like in those moments, right? The rest of the time I was super like beat down, like very dejected, very like I wasn't sleeping. Like my hair was falling out and I was like calling it postpartum hair loss. And it's like, was, you know, it had been like three years, like, you know, and like my weight was doing this and like, not like relationship I'm happy. So I'm going to eat all the Chick-fil-A cookies. Cause like that's where I am now, but like.
It was not that, right? Like I was just so lost and like my nervous system was so damaged and I was so like turned around in that relationship. I didn't recognize myself like at all. Whereas now people are like, my gosh, when they meet me in person, they're like, I thought you were tall. And I'm like, it's the loud voice and the big energy. I'm not.
Speaker 2 (26:57)
Okay, for real, I've actually heard people tell you that.
Speaker 1 (27:01)
Why are you a pocket person? And I'm like, well, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:05)
⁓ Yeah, no, that is so true. Well, and for me, the spunky never, a hundred percent disappeared. A hundred percent disappeared. Like even when I was in it, I could articulate, I feel like a doormat or what I said was, I feel like I'm a dog on a leash where like every so often I have this illusion of freedom. Like I can go for a walk. I can sniff the tree. I can whatever.
but he's always on the other end of that leash and he can always pull it back whenever he wants. So I actually don't have any control in my life because he's always on the other end of the leash. And it was actually so interesting when I, we were probably apart six months maybe or so, and I had kind of this normal day. I went to this group with my kids and they were playing with the kids and I was talking to the other moms. And then we went to somebody's house that night and whatever.
And it was honestly just a fairly normal day, but I was laying in bed that night, just kind of replaying the day in my head. And I, this was the chain of thoughts in my head was, wow, it was a really fun day. Weird, kind of seemed like a normal day. What made it such a fun day? Well, I was talking and laughing a lot. It was so fun. was laughing with these people and whatever. And then literally my next thought was, my gosh, I used to be funny.
Like, and I actually don't say that as a joke. It was truly like I had no memory of the idea that like I actually used to be fun. Like I was literally voted like most outgoing in my high school class. And so I went from that to complete silent doormat. And after we'd been apart probably six months, I was like, ⁓ it was just a normal day at, whatever group with
my kids and the other kids and moms and whatever, but I was like talking and laughing and having fun.
It was shocking to me. I had no memory until that moment that I used to be that way. And now I am. Honestly, you just met me more recently, like a few years ago, so you didn't know me back when I was married. That probably surprises you to hear that I ever was like, like forgot that I was outgoing and fun and funny and like to laugh and all of that because that's totally who I am now. That's totally who I am now. But I
Speaker 1 (29:32)
You
Speaker 2 (29:36)
It was so far gone from my day-to-day reality that I forgot that it ever even existed for so many years.
Speaker 1 (29:46)
And like, Rachel, you tell me all the time, you're like, my gosh, you're the most brilliant person I've ever met, right? I'm not kidding you. I thought I was stupid. Like he had me so convinced that I was always wrong and that it's not that hard to be a lawyer and that anybody could do what I do all day and that I'm not.
Speaker 2 (29:52)
I do say that.
Magna
cum laude with two pregnancies in law school. Duh, anybody can do it. It's fine. No big deal.
Speaker 1 (30:12)
Taylor.
Yeah. like, wasn't allowed to, you know, just all these things were like, if you hear it enough, you start to internalize it. And like when you're in certain situations, you start to like bring yourself to that situation instead of like being who you are and like leaving that situation. And I've seen tons of clients that I have a lot of clients right now that they don't know that they've lost themselves yet.
Speaker 2 (30:34)
I didn't know it. I had no idea until many months. It was like six months out of the relationship. And I was like, wait, yeah, that part of me used to exist. I had no idea.
Speaker 1 (30:46)
I have a client right now who's like attacking me like as the attorney and the things that I do because her ex has her convinced that I'm evil. And so it's like, and I can see it right now and I'm just, I'm just like lovingly like, I need you to listen to me. I need you to not focus there and I need you to go see my friend. She's a therapist, like honestly, because I'm like, there is so much to unpack here that like you don't even know how lost you are yet, but she's going to figure it out and she's, I'm sure she was
I mean, she's beautiful, right? Like I bet she was so vibrant and so all the things like owns a business. And I bet she was everything right before she just got lost in this situation that she's in. So, and I think a lot of people do realize that they're like not quite like they're depressed, they're anxious, they're physically ill. And like they know they can tell they're not right in their body. They can tell like in their nervous system, this is wrong. And I think that leads them to be like, I have to do something. And this is the only thing that seems like.
the problem, right? And so I hope more people wake up and realize it when they,
Speaker 2 (31:52)
Thanks for hanging out with us on the Divorce Queens podcast. If you loved today's episode, be sure to hit subscribe and leave us review. It helps more women find the support they deserve.
Speaker 1 (32:03)
You can find me, Taylor, on Instagram at momlawyeredivorced and you can find Rachel at RachelTalksDivorced. Got questions? Need a pep talk? Want to share your story? Slide into our DMs. We're here for it.
Speaker 2 (32:16)
Divorce is not the end of your story. It is the beginning of your comeback. See you next week.
